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Poker botting strategy
« on: January 10, 2018, 12:57:57 am »
Can anyone help me out with Poker Botting strategy in general (I'm using Kraken). I used it on Global Poker for the last few weeks and it just got killed on tables and tourneys. I was playing low stakes mostly. Switched over to Americas Card Room and got Poker Tracker 4 setup with the bot, and it's playing slightly better, but has lost $30 over the past day playing micro stakes 6max cash games. Are there table picking strategies I'm missing, should I be playing tourneys or sitngo's instead? What do you find are the most profitable plays using poker bots (preferably Kraken strategies).

PS I saw more bad beats on Global Poker in 2 weeks than I did in a year of playing at other sites. I know it's probably variance, but that kind of variance is mind blowing.

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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2018, 06:33:35 am »
Can anyone help me out with Poker Botting strategy in general (I'm using Kraken). I used it on Global Poker for the last few weeks and it just got killed on tables and tourneys. I was playing low stakes mostly. Switched over to Americas Card Room and got Poker Tracker 4 setup with the bot, and it's playing slightly better, but has lost $30 over the past day playing micro stakes 6max cash games. Are there table picking strategies I'm missing, should I be playing tourneys or sitngo's instead? What do you find are the most profitable plays using poker bots (preferably Kraken strategies).

PS I saw more bad beats on Global Poker in 2 weeks than I did in a year of playing at other sites. I know it's probably variance, but that kind of variance is mind blowing.

The best way to get to the bottom of this is to send me hand logs and replay frames, as well as pt4 hand histories with player details (ie: vpip/pfr/3bet/etc).  Then I can see if it is just variance, a setting maybe off on your end, or the bot is just plain not playing correctly.

Have you checked your +/- adjusted ev?  Is it in the positive or down $30 as well?
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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2018, 05:36:14 pm »
So far today down $25, seemed like the bot was playing correctly, I didn't see any bad moves except one or two bluffs it should have called - but I understood why it didn't call it. Just deposited another $50 and moved up to the .25/.50 tables. Maybe it will work better at these levels because the players may not be as loose and overbet the bot out of action. If the bot busts again I'll send you my data - but it seems it's working right. I looked at "display all in equity" in poker tracker 4, and it follows pretty closely, but higher - My C won: -25.09, and my c all-in adj: -21.20.

I've noticed that when I'm playing tables I can spot bots and easily beat them by over betting them. I think maybe programming in some random bad bets when it's cheap, or over bets, or just some kind of random play might help here.

On another note, just wondering where the bot seems to work best. cash games, sitngo's, tourneys? heads up, 6max, or 9max? regular, turbo, super turbo Anybody have any info?
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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2018, 05:52:09 pm »
So far today down $25, seemed like the bot was playing correctly, I didn't see any bad moves except one or two bluffs it should have called - but I understood why it didn't call it. Just deposited another $50 and moved up to the .25/.50 tables. Maybe it will work better at these levels because the players may not be as loose and overbet the bot out of action. If the bot busts again I'll send you my data - but it seems it's working right. I looked at "display all in equity" in poker tracker 4, and it follows pretty closely, but higher - My C won: -25.09, and my c all-in adj: -21.20.

I've noticed that when I'm playing tables I can spot bots and easily beat them by over betting them. I think maybe programming in some random bad bets when it's cheap, or over bets, or just some kind of random play might help here.

On another note, just wondering where the bot seems to work best. cash games, sitngo's, tourneys? heads up, 6max, or 9max? regular, turbo, super turbo Anybody have any info?

It seems that the reports I've gotten are at 10NL 6 max cash tables for Medusa.  As for tourneys, deep stack non turbo, non rebuy seem to be most successful.  I always love getting feedback on possible additions to coding like overbetting, etc that can be added.
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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2018, 06:13:09 pm »
Does medusa play better than kraken? Would there be a discount if I buy Medusa since I already have Kraken?
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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2018, 06:49:33 pm »
Does medusa play better than kraken? Would there be a discount if I buy Medusa since I already have Kraken?

No
The Kraken is literally the Medusa code for 6 max cash tables and Abaddon for tournaments
The bot automatically detects the type of table you are playing and selects the correct code for play.
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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2018, 07:38:50 pm »
OKay cool. Well so far so good after going up to the .50 tables a couple hours ago I started a table with $35 and right now it's up to $65, so maybe the key is not playing the micro stakes. Maybe you should make a bot for the micro stakes, as people often over bet and follow to the river with nothing - it's a much different game - although maybe impossible to code a winning bot - lol. Even at .50 they play loose, I'm a little wary going up in stakes until I am sure the bot is positive bb over the long term.
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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2018, 03:45:45 am »
Just want to follow up on this... The bot had such a great day today it erased all of my losses and is now in the positive. Not sure if it was bad variance, or that it works better on .50 tables rather than .10 tables, but I'm pretty happy with it. Going to run with it for another week to see how it does, and if it keeps doing good I'm going to buy the hopper and another computer! Thanks for the help Webber, great Bot!
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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2018, 06:25:46 am »
Just want to follow up on this... The bot had such a great day today it erased all of my losses and is now in the positive. Not sure if it was bad variance, or that it works better on .50 tables rather than .10 tables, but I'm pretty happy with it. Going to run with it for another week to see how it does, and if it keeps doing good I'm going to buy the hopper and another computer! Thanks for the help Webber, great Bot!

Im super glad you are enjoying it!
It makes me feel great when people are having good success with it.
And if not, then my goal is to fix whatever needs to be fixed in order to achieve this!

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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2018, 03:08:00 pm »
I think it is important to remember that we "botting hobbiests" are all competing with each other, and others on other botting platforms such that bots are more prevalent in the lower stakes. There are many botters out there. I think that most of the low stakes tables are saturated with bots compared to the higher stakes. While it has traditionally been recommended to avoid higher stakes MTTs and cash, you may find fewer bots at the higher stakes and might have a better chance of cashing. That is good, in my opinion, if you are playing loose gamblers and not pros who might be good at recognizing bots (I can) in cash or just a smaller field with higher payouts. Personally, I would rather be in a MTT with 30 players vs 800 as I'm that much closer to the money. However, when you go up in cash games, you will face some pro players that really make use of their Poker Tracker HUDs & might be able to pick up that you're bot. That's why I would do. Yes, just overbet.

BTW: I'd like to see how to change Kraken's bluff/slowplay delay so it doesn't always "check" right before timing out. A delay feature is good to throw people off but it is kind of predictable when it is always right at the last second. That is also a way people might spot the Kraken bot. This player always delays exactly right at to the end. Now I will raise and he'll fold (unless it was used to slow play). Also, when the bots delay and go to "inactive" on ACR, then back to active, that is not really something a human would do on a consistent basis (unless distracted by something).
« Last Edit: January 11, 2018, 03:24:37 pm by pokerdudeSJ »
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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2018, 04:51:37 pm »
I think it is important to remember that we "botting hobbiests" are all competing with each other, and others on other botting platforms such that bots are more prevalent in the lower stakes. There are many botters out there. I think that most of the low stakes tables are saturated with bots compared to the higher stakes. While it has traditionally been recommended to avoid higher stakes MTTs and cash, you may find fewer bots at the higher stakes and might have a better chance of cashing. That is good, in my opinion, if you are playing loose gamblers and not pros who might be good at recognizing bots (I can) in cash or just a smaller field with higher payouts. Personally, I would rather be in a MTT with 30 players vs 800 as I'm that much closer to the money. However, when you go up in cash games, you will face some pro players that really make use of their Poker Tracker HUDs & might be able to pick up that you're bot. That's why I would do. Yes, just overbet.

BTW: I'd like to see how to change Kraken's bluff/slowplay delay so it doesn't always "check" right before timing out. A delay feature is good to throw people off but it is kind of predictable when it is always right at the last second. That is also a way people might spot the Kraken bot. This player always delays exactly right at to the end. Now I will raise and he'll fold (unless it was used to slow play). Also, when the bots delay and go to "inactive" on ACR, then back to active, that is not really something a human would do on a consistent basis (unless distracted by something).

It has Eden's implemented delay strategy so maybe he can chime in on the easiest and most effective way to alter the delay so that this does not happen.

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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2018, 05:35:43 pm »
I think the delay strategy is good, but it should just be adjusted so the timing varies a little bit on the long delays. I swear I can pick out a couple of other bots at the table at times. I'd rather not know, or be known. :)

Update: I was playing multiple MTTs today and noticed the full delay just before the timeout clock hits zero was less frequent. It did it a few times but there seemed to be more random "long" delays while watching several tables.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2018, 11:44:35 pm by pokerdudeSJ »
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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2018, 12:53:37 am »
I too am experiencing lengthy action delays on ACR after the update. I agree that it makes us look too much in-human. :o

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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2018, 04:12:56 am »
Hi,

About delay I want to mention it depends on few factors such as size of table map, stable frames, scraper delay settings of Abaddon or other bot.
If you feel delay is to high you can change it to lower:

Open Abbadon profile with notepad or any other text editor and search for function "##f$delay##" it should be not far away from top.
And at the moment it should look like this:
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##f$delay##
f$my_delay

You can change it to example:
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##f$delay##
f$my_delay / 2

Delay will be twice less but still random up to ~2.3sec

If you don't need any additional delay at all you can change it to:
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##f$delay##
0

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Re: Poker botting strategy
« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2018, 08:33:49 pm »
no issues with delays with new update i like it more , the betting it does tho any way to change it from random amounts to increments of 50-100 , ..say random amount is 820 or 1946 , want it to be 850 or 1950